RocBattle Integrity Update: AI Beats, Disqualifications & What's Next

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago · 204 views

What's going on, RocBattle family.

Throughout this beta we've been testing everything: voting, streams, rankings, and the systems that keep this place honest. With real money on the line, we had to know how people might try to game RocBattle before launch. RocBattle has invested a lot of time and money into detecting AI-generated music, and as we get close to November 1st, we're putting it into practice.

WHAT WE FOUND
Some beats entered in battles were made with AI music generators and were labeled "Original: no AI was used." We now use sophisticated detection software to catch AI-generated music. Here's one of them: the beat in a RocBattle battle, then the exact same track on Suno.

WHO WAS DISQUALIFIED
For the integrity of this community, we're naming them:

- ThroneMuzik: 10 beats made with Suno, all labeled "no AI." 7 battle wins reversed.
- Dj Maxx Payne: 7 beats made with Suno labeled "no AI." 4 battle wins reversed.
- Logan F (KnocKkTurnalBeats): "HitMan" was made with Suno and labeled "no AI." Disqualified; the win goes to Tripl3C.

Every corrected battle now shows a notice explaining why, and the win went to the producer who made their own beat. Ratings, records and divisions have been recalculated.

One producer labeled his music as AI-assisted from the start. His battles stand as they are. Honesty counts.

WHY IT MATTERS
AI is a tool, and we're not against it. But a battle is producer against producer: your ear, your drums, your hours. An AI beat can't be put up against real talent. It's not real, and it's not fair.

MOVING FORWARD
- No AI battles. Period. AI-generated or AI-assisted beats can't be entered in battles.
- AI beats can still be uploaded to your profile, as long as they're labeled.
- AI beats can be sold on RocBattle. If you want to make AI beats to sell, by all means, do that.
- AI beats do not earn streaming revenue.
- Every upload is checked. If our system detects AI, it can't battle and it can't earn streams.

We're building RocBattle so producers can win and get paid for what their own skills and talent can do. That's the whole point.

Fat Fingers & Rockwilder

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#1

DJLocZmyth Producer 1 week ago

Crazy. But it is what it is. Like Fat said! It’s a tool. You can’t have it make your music for you and expect to be compared with real people!
#2

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago · edited

Here you go! Another!
#3

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

They should get lifetime banned!
#4

M-Chop Beats Producer 1 week ago · edited

Yikes … that’s messed up. Great catch…

Yo…I had to read again… ThroneMuzik was 15-0 and posting 🔥… shame 🙏🏾
#5

KloudNineMusic Producer 1 week ago · edited

Thanks for doing this fam and the transparency. I know the producer community really appreciates that! I say A.I. music should be banned all together. When you say it's okay to sell A.I. beats you may get people who just push out slop A.i. beats and overcrowd the platform.

How do you expect any good producer to compete with someone who is pushing out 50 beats in month in multiple styles? I do truly appreciate you calling out names, disqualification, not streams.

Another idea is that A.I. generated beats only get half the revenue and rocbattle gets the other half since majority of these people aren't even real producers.....yeah I said it, be mad. Pick up a keyboard, DAW, go to youtube and learn some tutorials and stop being lazy.
#6

ThroneMuzik Producer 1 week ago · edited

Understandable and to be accountable, they do have Suno Studio which allows you to create beats on there. There were no promptings saying "make me a random beat". These were melodies I came up with, and yes some were built in Suno's DAW.....they were intellectual property. Some created in FL, some in Garage Band, and some in Suno Studio. I can provide screenshots of these projects made in Suno Studio. However, I won't do that. I accept the consequences and respect the rules and I apologize to the RocBattle community.
#7

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago

Just saying. More Ai Detection on the way! Too much money going to be paid out not to have this in place. We need fairness. Just saying!
#8

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago

KloudNineMusic: Thanks for doing this fam and the transparency. I know the producer community really appreciates that! I say A.I. music should be banned all together. When you say it's okay to sell A.I. beats you may...

Nah, I feel you! It's a lot to be considered. Still in the air about selling Ai beats on platform, but you really can stopped that everywhere. As far as battling against computer generated talent, don't see the point.
#9

ThroneMuzik Producer 1 week ago

M-Chop Beats: Yikes … that’s messed up. Great catch… Yo…I had to read again… ThroneMuzik was 15-0 and posting 🔥… shame 🙏🏾

Bro, I use Suno Studio as one of my DAW's so that's probably why my beats got detected. I can show the sessions.
#10

M-Chop Beats Producer 1 week ago

ThroneMuzik: Bro, I use Suno Studio as one of my DAW's so that's probably why my beats got detected. I can show the sessions.

I hear you, I posted before you responded 🙏🏾👊🏾 disregard my comment
#11

DJ D LIVE Producer 1 week ago

Well would ya look at that!!!! I love this platform...LET's KEEP HONEST!!!! 💯💯💯 I respect the loyalty to the craft!!!
#12

DJLocZmyth Producer 1 week ago

My question is... That "Classic battle" is it a classic AI battle???
#13

ThroneMuzik Producer 1 week ago

DJLocZmyth: My question is... That "Classic battle" is it a classic AI battle???

On my end, it isn't. However, I do use Suno Studio to create some of my beats, so that is more than likely why my beat popped up. Suno keeps the beats in their catalog even if you created something from scratch in their DAW, which is why I may back off from using it. My instrumental "Time & Chance" was created in Suno Studio though (from scratch, not a prompting).
#14

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago

DJLocZmyth: My question is... That "Classic battle" is it a classic AI battle???

Yeah. Removed from Classic. Good call!
#15

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

ThroneMuzik: Understandable and to be accountable, they do have Suno Studio which allows you to create beats on there. There were no promptings saying "make me a random beat". These were melodies I came up with, a...

you used AI
#16

DJLocZmyth Producer 1 week ago

I can't say it wasn't good but... questionable for sure. Especially for the wall.
#17

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

KloudNineMusic: Thanks for doing this fam and the transparency. I know the producer community really appreciates that! I say A.I. music should be banned all together. When you say it's okay to sell A.I. beats you may...

i agree 💯
#18

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

FatFingers: Nah, I feel you! It's a lot to be considered. Still in the air about selling Ai beats on platform, but you really can stopped that everywhere. As far as battling against computer generated talent, don...

we don’t need it on rocbattle the classic rocbattle ain’t have it we don’t need ai beats! 💯
#19

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago

ThroneMuzik, I appreciate you explaining, and I took it seriously. So I went through Suno's own records for all 10 of the beats in question. Suno keeps a record of how every track on its platform was made, including what was typed into it.

Every one of these 10 is listed on Suno as AI generated ("gen"), made with Suno's AI music models (chirp-hawk v6, and chirp-fenix v5.5 on one), as an AI "cover", which means Suno's AI produced the final version of the track. Here's exactly what was typed into Suno for each one:

- Parables (made Sept 11)
What was typed into Suno: "Same exact layout; polish"
Won vs David Riffs Ruffin. Reversed.

- Church Doors Are Open (Oct 3)
What was typed into Suno: "Gospel with a churchy feel, steady Boom Bap drum groove, layered choir-room reverb, male-female call-and-response vocals, organ chords and handclaps."
Won vs Benjamin Justus. Reversed.

- Born Into Royalty (Oct 4)
What was typed into Suno: "Boom bap blended with trap, orchestral brass and sweeping strings carrying the lead melody; relaxed male tenor with a laid-back flow; head-nodding half-time groove with crisp trap hi-hats; punchy dry snare, tight low-end, polished studio mix."
Won vs Pauloffame. Reversed.

- Peculiar (Sept 15)
What was typed into Suno: "enhance what's here; pianos and choirs; eliminate trumpets; worship mixed with trap"
Won vs A. Zerzay. Reversed.

- Time & Chance (Sept 13)
What was typed into Suno: "enhance and polish"
Won vs Dj Maxx Payne. Reversed.

- Spiritual Warfare (Oct 7)
What was typed into Suno: "Epic orchestral anthem with layered synth pads and sweeping mixed choir in block harmonies, a broad, powerful pulse, long hall reverb, and a spacious, soaring mix."
Won vs 2HottyBeats. Reversed.

- Royal Priesthood (Sept 7)
What was typed into Suno (style): "More modern drums; mixture of pop and trap. maintain a cinematic selection for the melody. pianos, strings, etc"
And the full arrangement prompt: "[Intro] slap bass enters with syncopated octaves, four-on-the-floor kick drum and sixteenth-note hi-hats. [Section A] clean funk guitar rhythmic scratching, bright synth lead with short decay plays staccato melody, snare on beats 2 and 4. [Section B] sidechained synth pads enter with pumping effect, tambourine and shaker added to percussion, bass line becomes more melodic with slides. [Outro] synth lead and guitar fade out, drums and slap bass continue for two bars, final kick drum hit."
Won vs John Pierre. Reversed.

- Floating On The Clouds (Oct 16)
What was typed into Suno: "Trap, relaxed half-time groove; sliding 808 bass, crisp trap drums, sweeping strings, airy pads, and piano; long cathedral reverb..."
Not battled.

- Look To The Hills (Oct 16)
What was typed into Suno: "Cinematic hip hop with trap drums... soulful church choir, emotional and big; deliberate half-time pulse, piano-led chords, deep 808 bass, spacious strings..."
Not battled.

- Nevertheless (Oct 16)
What was typed into Suno: "Emotional trap with an inspiring, strong feel; steady, driving half-time groove; punchy trap drums and deep 808 bass; tight sidechain compression..."
Not battled.

Some of these might have started from your own ideas. A few say "polish" or "enhance what's here." But in every case the audio that was entered on RocBattle came out of Suno's AI, and every one of them was labeled "Original: no AI was used." That's why the results stand.

The rule is simple. If Suno, Udio or any AI music tool was part of making the beat, label it AI. AI beats can stay on your profile and you can sell them on RocBattle. They just can't battle and they don't earn stream revenue. Same rule for everybody. That's how we keep it fair for every producer putting in the work.

Fat Fingers
#20

SIK TRAKZ Producer 1 week ago

💯💯💯
#21

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

FatFingers: ThroneMuzik, I appreciate you explaining, and I took it seriously. So I went through Suno's own records for all 10 of the beats in question. Suno keeps a record of how every track on its platform was...

We should see what roc says in my opinion they should be disqualified
#22

John Pierre Producer 1 week ago

FatFingers: Here you go! Another! https://rocbattle.com/storage/announcements/20261018-977e5ivkj9.mp4

I just lost respect for so many producers just now... SMH
#23

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

John Pierre: I just lost respect for so many producers just now... SMH

Me too like buddy using king vons beats in his battle smh
#24

ThroneMuzik Producer 1 week ago · edited

FatFingers: ThroneMuzik, I appreciate you explaining, and I took it seriously. So I went through Suno's own records for all 10 of the beats in question. Suno keeps a record of how every track on its platform was...

Got it; I appreciate you explaining. What you're seeing with those descriptions is actually what Suno automatically labels on the beats when they are in your library. Those are not my prompts except the "enhance and polish" according to the mastering feature they have, which could still apparently label it as a cover. I own up to that. I have used them for mastering my stuff, so you have to upload the file in order to do that, but melodic expression came from me. When you upload a beat into it, it will describe the beat on its own. So, most of those are actually Suno's words and not mine. I read the other comments. I have no issue having my account closed. I shot in the dark with this one and once again, accept the consequences. May the best person win in the tournament.
#25

John Pierre Producer 1 week ago

ThroneMuzik: Got it; I appreciate you explaining. What you're seeing with those descriptions is actually what Suno automatically labels on the beats when they are in your library. Those are not my prompts except t...

Bro what you not getting is that no matter how you did it, you did it in SUNO. Nobody that uses Maschine, Ableton, and FL Studio, logic, cubase, reason, pro tools, Studio One, etc has this issue. But what's worse is I remember when jokey called you out on something in our battle and I literally remember you saying "I made this from scratch"... But you used suno.... So automatically you're not making it from scratch.. the whole platform is using AI to create it sounds... Meanwhile, I dig for samples, buy vsts, and actually play in my own Melodies unless i sampled... can you not understand the difference??
#26

FatFingers Staff 1 week ago

ThroneMuzik, I want you to know I hold nothing against you. This isn't personal, it's about keeping the competition fair for everybody, you included.

So here's an open invitation. We just turned on video replies in the forum (beta test, 60 second clips). Show us. Pull up the actual session for "Church Doors Are Open" in your studio and walk us through what you played and built. Your drums, your keys, your arrangement. If you made it, the session will show it, and I'll be the first to say so.

Fat Fingers
#27

MurdaBeats Producer 1 week ago

John Pierre: Bro what you not getting is that no matter how you did it, you did it in SUNO. Nobody that uses Maschine, Ableton, and FL Studio, logic, cubase, reason, pro tools, Studio One, etc has this issue. But...

i was gonna say the exact same thing u said but i ain’t wanna put my homie in the spot! yeah me and jokey talked about this too…
#28

ThroneMuzik Producer 1 week ago

John Pierre: Bro what you not getting is that no matter how you did it, you did it in SUNO. Nobody that uses Maschine, Ableton, and FL Studio, logic, cubase, reason, pro tools, Studio One, etc has this issue. But...

I completely get it bro. The beat I used in our battle was actually initially made in FL Studio, VSTs such as iota and Omnisphere and then mastered in Suno. Automatically using Suno even to master is still AI, so I get it.
#29

A. Zerzay Producer 1 week ago · edited

Wow....wise decision to not allow ai beats in the battle but can still be purchased on the site. We all have our own way of fleshing it out...i gotta hit mpc pads an make my own drum patterns,,,I gotta find obscure samples, chop em up and trigger them how im feelin it...findn that perfect bass..textures,,,throw in some vocal chops that convey a message..or just to be offensive...afterall it is a battle...from movies or old tv...its a painting that you listen to. The process is where the love is at. BLXPGXNG
#30

John Pierre Producer 1 week ago · edited

ThroneMuzik: I completely get it bro. The beat I used in our battle was actually initially made in FL Studio, VSTs such as iota and Omnisphere and then mastered in Suno. Automatically using Suno even to master is...

I'm not against using AI to assist with mixing or mastering... But there's other software out there that can get that done for you without you having to go to suno. For instance Ozone 12 and Landr mastering plug-in are good places to start

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